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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 22, 2004 9:45am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Romero's influences..

So I guess I'll start! Yay!

I havent really read up on the career on George Romero (but from what I gather, he's a guy that is quick to sell himself out (see the color remake for starters), but when Romero was this cultish filmmaker making Martin and the dead triology, what do you think were some of his influences? It's safe to say that all zombie pictures followed his lead after this one, and I'm wondering where he came up with the story..

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Poster: Marysz Date: Aug 23, 2004 11:53am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Romero's influences..

I found this trivia page about the film online:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/trivia

The site mentions that the 1962 film "Carnival of Souls" influenced Romero to make his film.

I suppose there are two ways to look at the film: either as pure, mindless (and scary) entertainment or, as some critics would have it, a parable about the political and racial problems America faced in the sixties.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 27, 2004 10:44am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: a bad message for the living.

The film is bereft of optimism. In a world filled with depressing stories this film adds its own poison. It is praised mainly by those well-fed and prosperous people who need to be boost their egos by comparing their status to the misery of others. For good mental health I would recommend humour .This has been called a"cult" movie. I have found cultists to be intolerant , malicious people who believe they have superior intelligence because they understand the cult message

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 28, 2004 5:16am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

So, ok..

Watching euphemeral films on the Prelinger archive can be considered cult films too right? because while most of the population hardly gives them a second look, there are those of us.. including you, that think these films are great, right??? So then you are cult film fan, since you are supporting the prelinger archives.

I won't go as far as calling you malicious and intolerant, though. Because I am not a name caller :)

Bill

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 28, 2004 5:35am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

Spuzz..my post referred to only ONE movie, viz "Night of......". Your attempt to associate my remarks on that film to other films (Prelinger Archives )is dishonest. I NEVER rubbished people having minority interests and your attempt to tag me with label is pitiful. Your last remark that you will not call me intolerant or malicious is stupid .

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 28, 2004 9:27am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

Ah, no... Let's see what you actually said..

This has been called a"cult" movie. I have found cultists to be intolerant , malicious people who believe they have superior intelligence because they understand the cult message "

You did NOT specify just this one movie, you lumped the cult film people TOGETHER. Don't twist your words around. I am quite sure that if you took a poll, the watching of euphemeral films would be considered a "cult" film thing to do, or, in your words, "a minority interest".

Spuzz

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 28, 2004 1:57pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: I respect, enjoy and learn by viewing Prelinger Films.

Spuzz.. you have not appreciated that the 1900 films cover such diverse subjects that the idea of giving cult status to viewers is totally absurd. It is different when considering hollywood films such as the Brando, Dean or "Night of..." where some viewers adopt the philosophy of the films and it is often said that these are cult films. I think that YOU know all of this and can only guess at your motives .Enough is enough..

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 28, 2004 2:59pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Don't be afraid of the Cult Cashel. Here, drink this.

I am not alone...

From Stay Free Magazine, an interview with Rick Prelinger..
http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/20/prelinger.html

"..Take my archives as an example. My movies have always had a certain cult following but I could have never predicted we'd get over a million films downloaded in a little over a year."

C'mon Cashel, give me more accusations!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 28, 2004 3:20pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: not again?

Mr Prelinger says that the movies had "always had a certain cult following". So what? this has nothing to do with my original post critically discussing the film"Night of...". SPUZZ you are spamming again and it is nasty habit. These Forums are intended as a place for friendly discussion

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 28, 2004 3:36pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: not again?

But I was just..

But you said..

Oh whatever.

I'll stop 'spamming' if you stop trolling, ok?

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 28, 2004 3:46pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: not again?

I know what " trolling " is and I never troll. Nor do I make personal malice attacks on forum members. However when I am attacked, I defend myself.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Aug 29, 2004 6:48am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: not again?

You began your comments on "Night ..." with a critical review of the film. However, your remarks continued, not reviewing the film but the people that like the film.

I found these remarks that you made to be intentionally inflammatory and insulting, ie trolling:

-It is praised mainly by those well-fed and prosperous people who need to be boost their egos by comparing their status to the misery of others.

-I have found cultists to be intolerant , malicious people who believe they have superior intelligence because they understand the cult message

No one has attacked you for critical remarks about films. You have been attacked for the intentionally insulting remarks about people that like them. I think that if you reread your original remarks from the perspective of someone that likes the film and does not agree with your analysis of it, you would understand why they could be considered "trolling" or to use your term "intolerant".

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 29, 2004 7:19am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: I must Not refer to "well-fed and prosperous people"

AKB so you tell me that if I say anything nasty about the above people I deserve all the insults and smears from people like you and spuzz and trafalgar.; I remember you from the past so I will not waste any more time with you or your ilk. NOTE TO OTHERS I did NOT smear or insult any races, religions or politics.

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Poster: summerseve Date: Aug 27, 2004 9:54pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

Anyone who takes advice from cashel regarding mental health deserves what they get...!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 27, 2004 10:04pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

trafalgar.. so now we have another of your posts. NO Information..Just malice

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Poster: summerseve Date: Aug 28, 2004 12:33pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

I'm not the first person here to be frustrated by your overwhelming negativity. Even when you praise something, you manage to do it by criticizing something else. Ever read your own posts?
Try a more positive approach, and people will respond in kind.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 28, 2004 1:02pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

Trafalgar...This was your second malicious attack on me for this week. Again your statements are untrue.

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Poster: summerseve Date: Aug 29, 2004 12:00am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: a bad message for the living.

Seriously, jack, why do you think your posts here result in such mayhem? That doesn't seem to happen to anyone else. What's your theory?
And again, I have no malice for you. Actually, I'm concerned for you...though I suppose you'll find that offensive as well.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 29, 2004 7:37am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: only 4 people were upset

Yourself ,spuzz, akb and ridetheory. So as I did NOT people,s race, religion or politics I will continue. Note TO OTHERS. I am always sirect and honest and NEVER give personal insults or smears or try bullying tactics.

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Poster: summerseve Date: Aug 29, 2004 9:56am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Romero's influences..

I think it's a film about fear and mindlessness.
The beauty of this film is that the zombies don't speak (in fact there's not a whole lot of dialogue from anyone), so we're free to read our own fears into it. Whatever it is that terrorizes you, whatever your personal nightmare might be, they represent it, much like Hitchcock's "Birds".
Also, though I don't think there's a conscious social statement, the state of the culture certainly affects any film-maker. Made in the wake of the 1950's, the era of Great American Denial, this film depicts mindless dead people awakening and terrorizing the countryside. Conscious or not, there's a statement there.
Regarding race: I've read that the black lead actor was not specified in the script, but just happened to be cast that way. So the supposed racial statement may not have been intended. However, major kudos to Romero anyway, because that was not a time in which one blithely cast without regard to skin color!
Anyway, it's a great film, though a depressing one. 4 and 1/2 stars out of 5...

This post was modified by trafalgar on 2004-08-29 16:56:38

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Aug 24, 2004 12:10am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Romero's influences..

If anyone here hasn't already seen Carnival of Souls, I highly recommend it. It would be of particular interest to readers of this forum, I think, because the filmmakers were also industrial filmmakers. The Criterion DVD includes several of their shorts as a bonus feature.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 24, 2004 2:17pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: to Mary

George Romero said recently "There may be a bit more acceptance of horror because of what is going on in the world today. When people feel threatened, they either go to pure entertainment or to something that might strike a chord with the fears they have in real life".

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Poster: Marysz Date: Aug 25, 2004 10:27am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: to Mary

It's interesting that that a rural farmhouse, usually an symbol of American safety and security, becomes a place of horror in this film. In the late sixties there was rioting in the cities and the war in Vietnam was turning into a quagmire. The effects of racism and a misguided Cold War foreign policy had come back to haunt Americans—and refused to go away, just like the zombies in the film.

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